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Obama Trial on 26 January 2010

UPDATE: It appears that the court case was actually dismissed shortly thereafter. I report on it HERE.

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This is an update to the post that was published on 06 September 2009, entitled Sept 8, Obama Eligibility Hearing.

Shocker! Judge orders trial on eligibility issue

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.

If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.

In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had.

In a second ruling, Carter ordered that attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation can be added to the case to represent plaintiffs Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, who had been removed by an earlier court order. Drake, the vice presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Robinson, the party’s chairman, also were restored to the case.

But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz’ motion to be granted discovery – that is the right to see the president’s still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz’ challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case.

The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama’s eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.

Carter ordered a hearing Oct. 5 on the motion to dismiss and ordered arguments submitted on the issue of discovery.

If the case survives that challenge, a pretrial hearing has been scheduled for Jan. 11 and the trial for two weeks later.

The case would be the first time, according to Kreep, that the actual merits of the dispute will have been heard in open court. A multitude of such disputes have been rejected out of hand by various state and federal courts. Even the U.S. Supreme Court repeatedly has rejected urgent appeals to hear the evidence.

The suit alleges Obama is actually a citizen of Indonesia and “possibly still citizen of Kenya, usurping the position of the president of the United States of America and the commander-in-chief.”

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83 Responses to “Obama Trial on 26 January 2010”


  1. 1 Alan Scott
    9 September 2009 at 15:51

    I have to admit to being confused by this whole subject. Is President Obama’s qualification issue based solely on the birth certificate question? I’ve noticed that Obama’s stooges have made hay out of calling the birthers a bunch of crazies. Even most conservatives have distanced themselves from the birthers. Is this all about getting Obama’s original birth certificate? Since “official” copies have been provided, I doubt that the original will ever be made public.

  2. 2 DJ
    9 September 2009 at 16:19

    Alan,

    No copy of a “Birth Certificate” has ever been produced. The Obama campaign did provide a “Certificate of Live Birth” from the State of Hawaii (which looked fake to those that viewed it). This certificate only shows that someone (Obama) was born somewhere, not that he was born in Hawaii. It was used to allow an American citizen to have proof of birth for US business/tax concerns.

    His mother was not old enough to be considered a citizen when he was born, assuming he was born in Kenya. Had he been born in Hawaii, it would be no issue, but without a Birth Certificate, no one can prove where he was born or verify his citizenship.

    In the mid 1980’s BHO traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport, he would not have been allowed into Pakistan with a US passport. At best he has duel citizenship, at worst he is not a US citizen-this is the crux of the argument.

    Lastly, his college transcripts are locked, form Occidental, Columbia and Harvard. The rumor is he applied for and received foreign student aide to attend, this could only have been accomplished if he could prove he was NOT a US citizen, again bringing into question the Birth Certificate.

  3. 10 September 2009 at 01:02

    Excellent crash course by DJ!

    The only thing I have to add is that any time WE have to go to work, we have to provide all sorts of documentation… so why is a government position any different, especially when it is the highest position in America?

    There is a lot of hush-hush and I can only hope that this gets heard in an open courtroom. If he is valid then cool. I have no problem with his eligibility because the People voted him in. If he is not eligible then we have some serious issues at hand (i.e. how do we handle getting a new president, what do we do with signed laws, etc.).

  4. 4 Donna
    14 September 2009 at 17:46

    If Obama is not a citizen then what crimes can he be charged with and what crimes will the administration be charged with. Certainly quite a few people are responsible for this. Would we have another election? It would not be right to fill his seat with Biden.

  5. 14 September 2009 at 22:21

    @Donna: Thank you for visiting my blog.

    All of your questions are ver valid ones. As the Constitution does not have any sort of provisions for what to do with a sitting President that does not meet the requirements, I am not sure what we would do.

    With impeachment, the second in line (the VP) would take over. But impeachment means that he was accused/convicted of wrongdoing… and I am not quite sure this is wrongdoing as it is an issue of eligibility, not wrongdoing per-se. The 25th Amendment, Section 1 reads:
    In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

    So my guess with a Democratic congress they will try to say that he was removed and that Biden should take over. But I don’t think it is that simple. The sentence is with the assumption that he was lawfully voted in. What if he was never voted in because he never was eligible. Then it will probably go to the SCOTUS and let them haggle it…

    But still, what about all the laws he signed as President? What about all the votes he did in Congress? Are those nullified too? Could be quite messy, but if we just give this a pass, then what does the rule of law mean anymore? Nothing.

  6. 6 Alan Scott
    19 September 2009 at 08:54

    I’m just throwing this out there. I was talking to someone who travels a lot, and since I do not have a passport, that is where the discussion went. She told me that to get a passport you must show your original birth certificate, not a copy. If this is true I am wondering how our President travels abroad, as he has never released his original document.

  7. 7 Jason Jansen
    19 September 2009 at 10:34

    I think it’s absolutely insane, that there is a suspicion about it in the first place. If 2+2 doesn’t equal 4, then there’s a serious problem. It doesn’t add up, and that’s all the people deserve, is for it to make sense. That’s the problem with this administration in a nutshell, time after time they have proven they can’t and shouldn’t be trusted. Like with the Van Jones story, was there really NO ONE in the entire country to take the position he had, except for him, with his background? Liberals don’t really get it, while they were wondering why he wasn’t “qualified for the job”, we were wondering why have an admitted communist/extremist working with the president in the first place! it blows my mind that these people “refuse” to see this administration for what it really is. A corrupt, un-american (understanding what America is and what they’re doing to it), extreme bunch of people who want nothing else than to completely gut our constitution ad change our ENTIRE system. Keep up th good work, and keep your eyes open!

  8. 19 September 2009 at 22:48

    @Alan Scott: I would assume he gets around now just because he is the president. Before that, because he was a senator.

    As for the passport, do you have to show a long form birth certificate or does a real copy of the certificate of birth OK?

    @Jason Jansen: Good to see that you understand that it does matter to know what America is and what it is not. This is probably the main problem right now. Everyone is so disconnected at what this government we have was made to be that we have no problem destroying what we do not know.

    This still doesn’t seem like a big deal. If you are innocent, then shut us up by giving us a long form birth certificate and your scholarship records from school to see if you got foreign financial aid. Period. End of story. Why withhold so much and fight so hard to supress?

  9. 9 DJ
    20 September 2009 at 08:09

    KK,

    Since just after 9/11, in order to get a passport, it is required that your original birth certificate be provided. My mom and her husband are trying to get passports for a cruise this spring, both are required to provide an original birth certificate. My mom’s husband was pretty shocked, he was able to enlist in the Army, serve a couple tours in Vietnam, get a drivers license, and a new social security card all with a copy. Now 66, he has to have an original.

  10. 20 September 2009 at 08:21

    @DJ: Thank you. I got mine back in 2006 and I just don’t remember what I had to bring.

  11. 11 Nearlyalwaysright
    28 September 2009 at 09:20

    Good grief, September 2009 and some people still haven’t heard that Pakistan was NOT on any “No Travel” list. There was only a travel warning posted at that time.

  12. 12 DJ
    28 September 2009 at 23:00

    @Nearlyalwaysright,
    You are wrong.

  13. 13 Dhusted
    30 September 2009 at 07:21

    Obama was not legally voted in anyway Mccain did not loose by that many votes and obama had thousands of fraudulent votes from acorn so obama would not have won anyway but even if they impeach him Clinton was inpeached but never left office and is still receiving a government salary today so they may not at this point be able to get him out with all the support he has!

  14. 14 earnhardt-jr_88
    30 September 2009 at 10:21

    this forum rocks. it is time that everyone gets woke up. time the obama administration just told the truth.

  15. 15 AdrianS
    1 October 2009 at 08:49

    It seems to me that given the fact that Obama’s first presidential act was to hide all of his personal, scholastic, and other information, which can only be pierced by court order, then we should assume that Obama has something to hide.

    As for Obama’s usurpation of the Presidency, surely Biden would not be qualified since the entire ticket of Obama/Biden would be voided. Remember that it was Obama who selected Biden; which would be void.

    Perhaps, and unfortunately, Nancy Pelosi (third in line for presidency) would take the position until an election could be held to replace Obama/Biden.

    As for Obama’s illegalities, being that when he is found to be a usurper, at that point, he would be nothing more than an individual criminal and could be removed by local police or FBI. Obama would be sent to jail and would have to stand trial for his multitude crimes. And, since he was never president, any bills, orders, directives, and such would be null and void. Obama would no longer be Commander-in-chief, which means that immediately his replacement, perhaps Nancy Pelosi, would become Commander-In-Chief. I don’t like Pelosi and would hope that this whole episode would convince the electorate (voters) that the extreme, socialist, left-wing airheads that allowed this to happen without vetting Obama should be voted out of office and the landslide majority of American voters will vote for conservatives to restore our faith and support for our U.S. Constitution.

  16. 16 Well Informed Person
    10 October 2009 at 13:21

    The State of Hawaii has verified that the COLB is Barack Obama’s birth certificate, and that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    The vault copies of birth certificates were destroyed years ago when Hawaii transferred the information to computer. At this time, when you ask for a birth certificate, you are going to get this kind of printout, because the original vault copy has been destroyed.

    There are no short or long form birth certificates issued by the state. There is only a birth certificate, also known as a certificate of live birth-COLB.

    Additionally, there are two contemporaneous birth announcements in local Hawaii papers. The information in these announcements was pulled directly from Vital Statistics information.

    Kancer, you have a country. Bush and Cheney tried to take it away with a power grab for the executive branch that included a completely unconstitutional policy of torture. You don’t need to wish for it back. It is back in the hands of the people of the United States of America.

  17. 10 October 2009 at 17:04

    @Well Informed: Welcome to my blog.

    As I stated elsewhere on my blog – what about the other documents?
    https://kylehuwer.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/transparency-only-in-theory/#comment-1014

    And…

    Are you kidding me… back in the hands of the people? You have been drinking too much kool-aid. You mention torture… um, could you explain to me how a foreign person falls under an American Constitution?

  18. 18 SusanT
    15 October 2009 at 04:04

    Do your homework KK….the American Constitution DOES indicate that certain methods of torture may NOT be used, against anyone, not just Americans.
    And I have to add, I am appalled at the poor grammar and spelling on here….were you guys part of Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” plan? LOL

    (“McCain did not LOOSE” and “It is time everyone gets woke up”)

    Also, you do NOT need an original birth certificate to get a passport. How on earth would a system like that work with house fires, Hurricane Katrinas, and items simply misplaced or stolen? Think logically! Mine got stolen in the mail. You just contact the town you were born in, tell them what happened and they send you a certified copy of your birth certificate. I used my copy to not only get an American Passport, but also to get citizenship in another country.

  19. 15 October 2009 at 07:27

    @SusanT: The American Constitution bans torture to non-Americans? And let me guess, the taxation powers laid forth apply to non-Americans too? Please cite where you feel the Constitution bans torture to non-Americans.

    Do you always come to people’s blogs and make fun of them? Even you have made a mistake on your post in the very sentence you are calling people out. In your sentence you use four dots in your ellipsis when in reality an ellipsis only has three dots. Where did you learn to put four dots instead of three – are you a product of socialized public education or something? LOL.

    When people say original, they mean vault copy. Besides, original original is ludicrious – but can’t we get a certified copy? What Obama has submitted is the “Certification of Live Birth.” The COLB essentially only has the name and the date. The long form/vault copy will have things such as the parents’ information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child’s birthplace, and information on the doctors who assisted in the birth of the child. The long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents.

    Furthermore, in 1961 Hawaii had 3 ways to get the long form. The first way was by a physician of a midwife and was required by Hawaii to fill out a long form. The second way if not attended by a physical or midwife was to just mail in for a birth certificate. The third way if also not attended and before the child’s first birthday a “Delayed Certificate” could be mailed for. The fourth way was to have the Office of the Lieutenant Governor of Hawaii to issue one under the testimony of someone.

    So method one is a slam dunk. We can see it all and we have witnesses. Places. Names. Signatures. Hospital name. Option two, three, and four are a little shaky though don’t you think? Birth certificates being mailed in? People testifying to an Officer of sorts? So with Obama saying that he was born in a hospital, we should have a Long Form certificate of live birth. Like I said, you can get a certified copy of this document.

    http://rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com/

    Obama has access to the long form of which the COLB should be derived from. He can get if he pays the fee or he can authorize someone else to pick it up. All we ask is… why can’t he pick up the long form?

  20. 20 DJ
    15 October 2009 at 08:07

    @Well informed person,

    “The vault copies of birth certificates were destroyed years ago when Hawaii transferred the information to computer.” This has been debunked by an Hawaii official

    1) “We don’t destroy vital records,” Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said”
    2) “In 2001, Hawai’i’s paper documents were reproduced in electronic format but “any paper data prior to that still exists,” Health Department spokeswoman Okubo said.
    Retrieved from: http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html.

    I would like to add that in the same article, an Hawaii officil claims to have sighted Chairman MaObama’s Birth Certificate, but will noit say where. If it exisits, put an end to all the drama, and SHOW THE EFFING THING

  21. 16 October 2009 at 10:47

    Are there any non-bias’d news sources covering this?

  22. 22 Otto D
    21 October 2009 at 12:59

    Are there any unbiased news sources? o_O

    If WELLINFORMED, and SUSAN T understood the political implications of the new economic policies being rushed through both the house and senate right now, they would understand that this is not a matter of Left or Right, or even conservative or liberal. It is a matter of Chicago School economics (globalization and deregulation of trade) vs. American’s rights/freedoms. The [major] banks and the institutions that support them have a power structure to maintain, and are running out of third-world resources to do so. So now they are going to rob us, the freedom loving american people by continuing to take advantage of our INSANELY LUDICROUS FEAR OF KNOWLEDGE AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. You can’t just condemn torture without looking at WHY it is being implemented. They didn’t just torture people because they’re just “bad guys” like that. They use[d] torture as a way of silencing any political outcry against this very obviously imperialistic agenda, and it didn’t stop with Bush II, infact it didn’t even START with him. So what makes you think that a man elected into office directly after one of the most historic executive power grabs in american history won’t play ball with the big boys (IMF, World Bank) most of who come from what school? oh that’s right The Chicago School of Economics! Not to mention that Obama himself was senator of what state? Illinois? really? isn’t chicago in illinois?
    Now those would all just be semantics if it wasn’t for the fact that;

    Obama has openly continued “indefinite” detention of prisoners in offshore facilities (geneva convention?)
    Obama has used the recent economic crisis to implement de-regulation and bailouts to help the top %3 of wealthiest institutions. (Goldman-Sachs, Citibank, JPMorgan-Chase have all seen, RECORD profits in the last 9 months… as thousands of american citizens are unemployed and paying for THEIR fuckup, not ours.)

    GM HAS BEEN PRIVATIZED. WTF?

    How far in debt are we?

    Who pays that debt?

    WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND RIGHTEOUS DO WE STILL HAVE A PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE.

    TIMOTHY GEITHNER WAS EMPOLOYED PREVIOUSLY BY WHO?!?

    WOW.

    Obama is playing for the “other” team. Not ours. This has been a work in progress since the days of Thatcher and Reagan, when they figured out how to economically enslave a country through peaceful legislation. This whole process has happened many times before, and has now been worked down to a fine science.
    Facism does not occur through means of violent force anymore, it is now in the form of monetary policy and endless consumerism.

    Contentment is happiness, contentment is the enemy of consumerism.
    Consumerism is what makes those men in those fancy suits very, very rich.

  23. 21 October 2009 at 14:44

    Are there any non-bias’d news sources covering this?

    As in, MoveOn.Org? :/

    Short answer: No.
    Long answer: Do you see any media outlet questioning anything Obama does? No.

  24. 21 October 2009 at 15:17

    I was talking about WorldNewsDaily

    What did moveon.org have to say about this story?

  25. 21 October 2009 at 17:58

    @Samuel: I think you totally missed my point. You asked for an unbiased news source on this issue. I responded with, do you see any media outlets questioning Obama on anything?

    Point – if they don’t question him on anything he does, then why would they cover anything about his eligibility?

    Is it a enough that a Federal Judge wants to hear more?

    What did moveon.org have to say about this story?

    Are you kidding? (whooshing noise over your head).

  26. 26 Sean
    14 November 2009 at 20:24

    YA RIGHT. This type of trail would be determined by the supreme court, not some local judge. Nut job conspiracy theorists.. Anyways, a certification of live birth is the shorthand copy of a certificate of live birth. And Obama is a natural born citizen because his mother married his father making him a UNITED STATES CITIZEN.

  27. 14 November 2009 at 23:16

    @Sean: I don’t think you paid an ounce of attention to what is up here or have any idea of what the laws are, do you?

    Local judge: No. You know what court this is in? Obviously not. Do you know how the court system is set up? It doesn’t appear so.

    Shorthand copy: So the COLB is a shorthand copy of a COLB. What a ninnyhammer.

    Marriage: You really have no idea about the laws, huh?

    Thanks for visiting.

  28. 28 TomForFreedom
    18 November 2009 at 19:07

    Apparently, some people fail to realize Obama not only is refusing to show a long-form Birth Certificate, but he has just seated himself in another body of government, namely the UN Security Council, while being the U.S. President which by Constitutional law, it is unlawful (treasonous?). Considering Obama’s the first president to have ever done such a thing, I can guess why it’s never been done… because a U.S. President should stick to the needs of their country, not the world.

    I think the UNSC position has to do with Iran and its alleged (by politicians, mind you) weapons program even though Iran is under the non-proliferation treaty and uses nuclear power for energy purposes. Enriching Uranium, was the argument… don’t you need uranium to power up a nuclear powerplant? LOL.

    Article 1, Section 9:

    “No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.”

    I think we have more issues with Obama than just a birth certificate. He’s trying to dismantle the 2nd and 4th amendment, along with the Prolonged Detention program and the 500% tax on ammo, which is probably on draft right now.

    We need to stop arguing and DO SOMETHING, not talk. ACT and SPEAK, not just speak and argue. If there is proof of something, get it, present it, and make your argument valid, not without any factual and physical proof whatsoever.

    Obama’s lying to you as he made many promises in his speeches, and broke most of them, bailed out the banks in the trillions, will put healthcare into government hands to let them decide what they wish to us, and even so, we will not be in control anymore.

    Is this what you want? Because it is slowly becoming a wish-come-true by corporate and banking elites world-wide to form a world government, like the North American Union, and the rise of the new currency of the Amero, eradicating the dollar.

    Wake up, stand up, and ACT. Enforce the constitution to your elected officials, explain to them you’ve put them there in their office to fulfill their promises, not break them and do as they wish. Put them in the stand to start really changing the country, before it all breaks down.

    -Tom.

  29. 19 November 2009 at 07:47

    Didn’t Bush already destroy the 4th amendment?

  30. 30 TomForFreedom
    19 November 2009 at 08:38

    Samuel:

    “Didn’t Bush already destroy the 4th amendment?”

    ———————————————–

    Sure did. And Obama promised to dismantle GITMO and PATRIOT Act, but he just instead resurfaced Prolonged Detention and kept the PATRIOT Act in place. And he never brought the soldiers back from Afghanistan, he just sent more out and carried out a 23-month withdrawal plan, next to indefinite.

    How many more promises has he broken? He’s no different than Bush. It’s all about a play of racial cards, which shouldn’t matter, but to most people, race seems important in a political sense. I remember when we would doubt Obama’s ability to even perform so well and say we may have made a bad choice, or when we bashed at him for not really telling the truth, their supporters would call those supporters would call us “racist” just because of Obama’s skin color that wouldn’t make a good candidate. I seriously doubt race has anything to do with politics, let alone religion and ethnicity.

    I think it’s time we looked the other way and thought less about racial profiling, and start thinking more about what we’re going to do with a phony president that’s just like Bush in a sense.-

    -Tom.

  31. 31 DJ
    19 November 2009 at 09:23

    The fourth Amnedment says; “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    Can someone please explain what Bush (and Chairman MaObama) have destroyed?

  32. 32 TomForFreedom
    19 November 2009 at 12:12

    DJ says:

    “The fourth Amnedment says; “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    Can someone please explain what Bush (and Chairman MaObama) have destroyed?”
    —————————————————————————–

    PATRIOT Act spies on American citizens, regardless of status. This still counts as “unreasonable searches and seizures” as PATRIOT Act is an automatic violation of the 4th amendment. Obama upholds this Act, and he told the American public he’d not bring upon any more threats to the Constitution. While that being a lie, he did up with Prolonged Detention, which can arrest anyone and be held without a reason and without a trial, without a warrant for the arrest, etc.

    hence the 4th amendment protects its people from being spied on, by its own government, which is part of being “Secure” in their homes, with their papers, and such.

    So yes, they’ve destroyed the 4th amendment. It takes just one person to read what the 4th amendment offers and how the PATRIOT Act and the GITMO/Prolonged Detention works. This is a violation of a sacred Constitutional right, one of which both Bush and Obama has so boldly planned and fooled the public, nevertheless, without the public’s consent rather than the Elected Officials in which we put in Congress. Take for example, back in 2003. 70% of the nation did not want to go to war against Iraq. Congress approved of it, protests were made, and the public… ignored.

    This is no longer a state for the people, but a state for the Government. We no longer control the land, Banks control it, and make profits off it. Privatized Federal Reserve banks hold our nations money, a private bank, not a government bank, and do as they please without checks and balances of powers. Health insurance companies control our healthcare, and do as they wish to us, depending on how much we pay for healthcare, as if someone with an HMO will get top-notch medical care but they’re getting the least. Now we have government controlled healtchare. This will allow them to give whatever healthcare THEY decide we need. Not to mention higher taxes to most middle-class people as well, losing 2.5 million jobs and giving our country a harder time to recuperate on the unemployment rate. I believe, that the bailout of the banks, along with the federal reserve, violates the Constitution, again, Article 1, Section 9:

    “No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”

    What does this mean? Without the Federal Reserve being audited, we have no knowing of what they’re doing with our money, and with that in mind, they give the money to banks without even saying who they’re being it given to. This is a clear violation of the Constitution, among others. I still have to quote George Bush saying “The Constitution is just a piece of paper.” I disagree. The constitution is more than just a piece of paper…

    …it is the foundations of our freedoms, and the rights to freedom. We’re no longer a democracy, less even a republic. We’re a police state with state property. We don’t own any land, we won’t have any rights, and when the time comes, we’ll have nothing free. Everything, in the control of our corporate-owned government.

    But that’s what I meant by 4th amendment being destroyed by both Presidents. One created it, the other continues to uphold it, eradicating any right to be secure in your home without your government spying on you. Though we had such decades ago, but this one is publicly known and has been more aggressive, without even taking in notice of the violation of the Constitution.

    So… yes, both are DESTROYING the 4th Amendment. But we can act upon it. We can stop it. It is not too late to stand up and act and stop the destruction of our freedoms, is it?

    Instead of sitting at your computers, arguing and doing nothing but talking, we should really, really put some action into it, and protest. Demand your country back, peacefully or otherwise, whichever brings the attention of the mass media, let alone the entire country, and our elected officials. It is the only way…

    …the only thing is, it is up to you to decide. Sit and do nothing? Or stand up and do something?

    Take a chance. Or you will never get one.

    -Tom.

  33. 19 November 2009 at 22:53

    @DJ: I know you and I have talked about the 4th and the PATRIOT Act… and I think we disagree…

    Sure, they may say they are using it to spy on terrorist and bad people… however, you better bet your ass that it is being expanded to include “terrorist” such as the Tea Party people and other like minded less-government people. Has government not been saying for some time now that we have “right-wing” terrorist and “right-wing” extremist?

    Reread Enemy List – I’m on it, Are Uou? (link) and see how government could combine this with the PATRIOT act to spy on people like, you and me (especially being on LH!), who want less-government because we could be construed as terrorist or extremists.

    In my opinion, any time government, any government, asks for more power… and we give it to them… they will take more than what was given. The PATRIOT act is no different, especially with who is in power.

    -K

  34. 34 DJ
    20 November 2009 at 12:08

    I do not disagree that aspects of the Patriot Act appear to infringe on our Constitutionally guaranteed rights. However, I have found no indication that the wire tapping is legal for phone cals originating IN the United States, only from calls originating in known terrorist supported locales, legal intelligence gathering was used to obtain that information, I fail to see how that violates the protectins of the 4th.

    @KK, what proof do you have that Tea Party participants and “right-wing terrorists” are being monitored?

    @TFF, You mentioned GITMO. How is detaining military combatants a violation of the 4th? THe curernt plan to try them in NYC does seem to be a direct usurpation of existing law, as the AG has absolutely no rigth to involve itself in the affairs of the Military.

    Regarding your commnets on the Federal Reserve: I agree with you, but I do not understand how the FED realtes to the 4th amendment. I believe it violates Article 1 section 8 Para 4 of the Constitution, “…To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;”

    I also agree with your assessment of the Bailouts, I think they violated Article 1 section 9, as you mentioned.

    I am still at a loss as to the actual “destruction” of the 4th though.

  35. 35 TomForFreedom
    20 November 2009 at 12:24

    @DJ.

    I am sorry, I mean “DESTROYING”, not “Destroyed”. This is just the beginning of the dismantling of the 4th amendment. If it can do that, it can be heavily regulated and dismantled, and the Constitution would mean nothing if it’s allowed to do so.

    Also, we have a GITMO camp in America, somewhere in the West Coast. I’m not sure where it was exactly. But we also have FEMA camps being set up for a national quarantine. H1N1 is all the hype it seems, and state laws are being passed, like the one in Massachusetts, that you must take the vaccine or you will be arrested and quarantined.

    I believe this violates another constitutional right. The government may be setting up for a martial law, as is evident from the recent amount of troops being stationed in every state. over 470,000 troops are stationed all across the nation as of recently. To me I think they’re getting ready for a mass Martial Law in the country. The country is, after all, turning into a police state. Has anyone forgotten Katrina? Martial law, confiscation of weapons by entering into a home (military troops breaching into homes), and of course, removal and settling of military operations in facilities without the consent of the people, which under US Constitution Amendment 3 and 4:

    “No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.”

    “he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    So if they can violate the constitution, they can get away with degrading it and modify it.

    Now you mentioned of looking for proof of indicating Constitutionals, liberals, Ron Paul supporters, and even militant people a target for terrorism.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96916

    You may look it up in the DHS database. FEMA has also a bit of a hate towards the forefathers. The claim they’re the first terrorist organization because of british assassinations, inspiring fear into the british troops, etc.

    But eh, it’s all either a fact or speculation, or both.

    But yes, DHS has defined Ring-wing extremists as possible terrorists.

    -Tom.

  36. 36 TomForFreedom
    20 November 2009 at 12:25

    http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1239817562001.shtm

    About Right-Wing extremists.

    Enjoy.

    -Tom.

  37. 20 November 2009 at 17:21

    >and I am not quite sure this is wrongdoing as it is an issue of eligibility, not wrongdoing per-se.

    Well i think Lying certain admits wrong doing. You know where you were born and if he is not
    born in the US, and now has all sort of information and can take it to any country this seems worse than 1st degree murder, as he violated the whole us population. Sounds like capital punishment to me.

  38. 38 TomForFreedom
    20 November 2009 at 21:45

    Jojo2:

    >and I am not quite sure this is wrongdoing as it is an issue of eligibility, not wrongdoing per-se.

    >>Well i think Lying certain admits wrong doing. You know where you were born and if he is not
    born in the US, and now has all sort of information and can take it to any country this seems worse than 1st degree murder, as he violated the whole us population. Sounds like capital punishment to me.

    In short: Treason.

  39. 21 November 2009 at 03:27

    @DJ: I have no “proof” that they are monitoring Tea Party participants and/or “right-wing terrorists.”

    However, if they are able to intercept foreign calls, then that means that they are very well able to intercept domestic calls. Spying on citizens has been a long practice of governments. I don’t know if it was the PATRIOT that did it or if the government is simply doing it outside of any sort of legislation.

    But even so, spying doesn’t have to be really even done by the government. There are plenty of willing and able people that are willing to be narcs for the government, which of course negates the fact that the “government is spying” because they are then just being “informed.”

    Don’t you think we have some of those on LH? You bet. I can show you one next time I talk to you. Just remind me.

    Of course, if you want to believe that there is not warrantless spying of domestic subjects then that is your prerogative as always.

  40. 40 Abby Lane
    21 November 2009 at 14:17

    My question is, if it is proven that Obama is not a citizen of the United States and he knowingly deceived the country, which I believe he did. How can you not know where you were born? Is there anyway that we could have his entire cabinet removed with him? Biden would be in a fraudulent position and therefore not eligible to hold office. Pelosi should be removed because she was appointed by this administration, etc. Also, any bill signed by Obama should be voided and thrown into jail with him. I am really praying that last part would work since they voted in Health Care yesterday. And then hopefully, after he has served jail time for war crimes, fraud and anything else he could be charged with, deport him back to Kenya?

  41. 23 November 2009 at 17:17

    @AL: Who knows what would happen if it were proven. The Constitution has no provision that I know of where it tells us what to do if he was unseated for being ineligible.

    Who would be President?
    VP?
    Special election?
    Laws signed?
    Etc.

    In all honesty, it won’t happen. As far as most are concerned, a short-form (COLB) is enough proof for them.

  42. 42 DJ
    24 November 2009 at 08:44

    @Abby Lane,

    Pelosi was not appointed by Chairman MaoBama, she was elected by the Democrat Congressmen to be Speaker.

    To your question about what would happen, all bills he signed into law would have to be negated, the SCOTUS would weigh heavily in this. Also, I agree with KK, there is no Constitutional provision for an “illegal” President. What I belive would happen is both Obama and Biden would be removed since the “Democrat Ticket” has to be null and void, I don’t beleive that the VP in this case could be elevated to President, althogh history has some indication of this (see Nixon-Agnew-Ford). Personally I beleive Peolosi should by Constitution be removed from the Speakers position and elevated to President, she will pick a VP and a new election will be called….just my 2 cents.

  43. 43 DJ
    24 November 2009 at 09:13

    @KK,

    As we have discussed many many times, having the ability to do something and actually doing iot are two different things. IN the example you mentioned, yes, the ability to monitor individual citizen phone calls exists, I have seen no proof that the gub’mint is actually doing it. In todays modern world, any moron with an antenna and an electricla outlet can get a scanner and monitor cellular ans well as wireless phone calls, every conversation made on either medium is open to interception, again, just because it CAN be done, doesn’t mean it IS being done. I am with you on your distrust of government, I have lost all faith in Washington, but I refuse to beleive they are monitoring every single phone call made by every citizen just to hear what we are talking about, I cannot beleive the man power exists to make it happen, olease prove me wrong! I would love to have one more reason to distrust Washington.

    @TFF,

    I appreciate your response, could you please expound on your assertion that the third amendment was violated in NOLA. I do not recall, nor could I find any evidence that troops were being quartered in homes without permission/compensation to the home owner.

    Regarding Martial Law, there are several instances in our histroy where Marshall Law has been implemeted going all the way back to the Whiskey Rebellion, and after the SanFrancisco Earthquake of 1906, there is precedent for implementing Martial Law in the United States. If you are intersted in reading some historic information on Martial Law, I recomennd “ex parte Milligan (71 US 2 [1866])” here is one link http://supreme.justia.com/us/71/2/case.html, in this case, Milligan was a confederate symathizer in Indiana who was arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to death by hanging, his appeal went all the way to the SCOTUS where it was over turned, it is really a neat case (imo).
    One of the SCOTUS points regarding the implementation of Martial Law is that the court system must be unfunctioning in order for Martial Law to be implemented, I am quite sure this was the case in NOLA.

  44. 44 TomForFreedom
    24 November 2009 at 12:35

    @DJ

    I understand that history has been shown that Martial Law could be lawfully applied in the US, but… it does not mean they can ignore certain liberties imposed by the US Constitution.

    Here is what Wikipedia has given me for Martial Law:

    The martial law concept in the U.S. is closely tied with the right of habeas corpus, which is in essence the right to a hearing on lawful imprisonment, or more broadly, the supervision of law enforcement by the judiciary. The ability to suspend habeas corpus is often equated with martial law. Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution states, “The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”

    In United States law, martial law is limited by several court decisions that were handed down between the American Civil War and World War II. In 1878, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids military involvement in domestic law enforcement without congressional approval. On October 1, 2002 United States Northern Command was established to provide command and control of Department of Defense homeland defense efforts and to coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

    On June 15, 1995, Norman Olson, along with militia leaders from other states, testified before the United States Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism. Olson’s opening statement included the following:

    “One other important point needs to be made. Since The Constitution is the limiting document upon the government, the government cannot become greater than the granting power. That is, the servant cannot become greater than its master. Therefore, should the chief executive or the other branch of government or all branches together act to suspend The Constitution under a rule of martial law, all power granted to government would be cancelled and differed back to the granting power. That is the people. And I’ll conclude with this statement: Martial law shall NOT be possible in this country as long as the people recognize the bill of rights as inalienable.”

    Also, here’s a document produced by Cornell Law School in 2008, three years after Katrina.

    http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/research/JLPP/upload/Rogers.pdf

    And now, from what Bush imposed a year after Katrina:

    The National Guard is an exception, since unless federalized, they are under the control of state governors. This was changed briefly: Public Law 109-364, or the “John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007” (H.R.5122), was signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, and allowed the President to declare a “public emergency” and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities. Title V, Subtitle B, Part II, Section 525(a) of the JWDAA of 2007 reads “The [military] Secretary [of the Army, Navy or Air Force] concerned may order a member of a reserve component under the Secretary’s jurisdiction to active duty…The training or duty ordered to be performed…may include…support of operations or missions undertaken by the member’s unit at the request of the President or Secretary of Defense.” The President signed the Defense Authorization Act of 2008 on January 13, 2008. However, Section 1068 in the enacted 2008 defense authorization bill (H.R. 4986: “National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008”) repealed this section of PL 109-364.

    I am not sure, DJ. There is a lot of confusion about this. If it is indeed unconstitutional to place Martial Law on the United States, why even have Martial Law? Bush already approved of deployed National Guard troops without consent of the State and it’s residing citizens. To impose a Martial Law would be to give a ruling judicial jurisdiction on the location of the Martial Law. Curfews, arrests, and even the violation of the 3rd amendment which was the quartering of soldiers in several facilities without the consent of their owners. And by facilities, I mean hospitals, schools, tents along the road, etc. According to the Cornell law School document, the National Guard did meet with resistance, and they must come armed too, with lethal weaponry against US Citizens if they defy them!

    This is a relief force? It seems they were there to invade New Orleans. A lot of people were actually more scared of the National Guard and other military forces in New Orleans than Katrina’s destruction and flooding of the city. What would you think if your hometown was placed under Martial Law, with troops residing at your school or hospital, with lethal weapons and convoys of armed men rolling around your streets, and they set a curfew on your hometown to follow? That’d be like taking certain liberties away without your consent, now, wouldn’t it? You’ve done nothing wrong and yet you feel as if you’re in a concentration camp, in your own home. (Expressive sentence, mind you.)

    But all in all, do we really KNOW what’s happened or not? We’ve never been there in history, we’ve never been in New Orleans (more specifically, me), and witnessed such a thing. All we saw was media speculation and people’s experiences with them. But who are we to speculate? We are talking about our freedoms here, the liberties given to us by the forefathers that created this nation from the British rule, fought against a tyrannical government to form their own and have their citizen given liberties.

    Who are we to say the US Constitution must be neglected in order to have temporal safety?

    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Benjamin Franklin.

    But it all comes to that… giving up freedoms for protection we don’t need. And that just creates more power for government to avoid the Constitution and control the nation without fearing the public rebel against them. We have been deceived by the Government in one than more occasion. Iraq was one of them. Weapons of Mass Destruction, we’re still looking for them even after we’ve taken control of Iraq, unable to prove that the reason we went into war is still there. We’ve been deceived by the US government through history, but most of them failed to fight against the Constitution. Today, people are forgetting the US Constitution. They think it’s just a piece of paper that has little value, that it’s old that no one cares about it, and that they might want a reformed Constitution.

    Do we change it? Do we reform the one thing that has kept us free all this whole time?

    We will see in the future.

    -Tom.

  45. 25 November 2009 at 01:29

    @DJ: I agree. Just because it can be done does not mean that it is being done. you are also right that any signal flying through the air can be picked up by anyone that has the knowhow. The different, at least to me, is that Joe on the corner who likes to eavesdrop is not going to throw me in jail nor does he have the authority to do so – the government does.

    Here are a few articles that lean my way:
    NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional (2006)
    NSA has massive database of Americans’ phone calls (2006)

    I also don’t think it is a matter of man-power or man-hours either. I think we have plenty of technology to do the vast majority of “rough screening” for them. For example, If I say key words like “blow up” and “CIA” in the same conversation, then my call will be flagged. Then, someone can review it and investigate it further or drop the flag.

    But let’s be clear here. It is not like I can FOIA the NSA/CIA/FBI to see if I am on one of their list. This is going to be highly-classified information of which we will never know. This is why I cannot tell you if they are watching me, you, or anyone else. Nobody, except a few, know or have the access to know.

    I guess what it boils down to is… if we allow them to wiretap only foreigns then it could easily be said to tap certain others too. With the current political climate being hostile to anyone on the right who opposes more/big government then I find this troublesome. They (DHS) have already talked about making veterans “possible terrorist” which means you and I both are on that list. I am in pursuit of the IRS, which also puts me on the radar. I comment other “right-wing” blogs. I comment and watch many Youtube “right-wing” videos. So with the environment, headed by the Messiah Obama and backed by the liberal media, hostile towards ideas like mine… then I get worried.

    In my mind… probable cause, warrant, search me all you want, prosecute… I don’t believe in search me until you find something, get a warrant, then prosecute. What would we do if we said, well, we will allow NSA agents to follow you around because you are a foreign student? It seems odd to me.

  46. 25 November 2009 at 01:43

    After looking up the Presidential Succession Act 1947 it seems that Biden would simply step up. Yes, the “ticket” would be comprimised, but Biden has no way of being legally forced to leave unless he dies (LOL), resigns, impeached, not able to perform, or does not qualify himself.

    Sec. 19. Vacancy in offices of both President and Vice President; officers eligible to act

    (a)
    (1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.
    (2) The same rule shall apply in the case of the death, resignation, removal from office, or inability of an individual acting as President under this subsection.

    It seems that the succession only comes into play if the President and the Vice-President are unable to perform – “by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify.”

    It seems interesting that it mentions “failure to qualify.” What exactly did they mean by that? It seems that they almost had a case as such in mind? Or, someone that fell under the old 13th Amendment?

    Maybe I am thinking too simple on the matter.

  47. 47 Jessie
    4 December 2009 at 19:45

    Hello. I just found this blog today.

    Do we really think anything will happen? Probably not. Obama has the liberal media and so many other authority figures eating out of his hands. It will probably go on ignored, like mostly everything else that is happening in his administration.

    :(

  48. 7 December 2009 at 02:24

    @Jessie: Doubtful. I’d be surprised if any coverage apart from WND covers this.

    The Left has done a superb job at muddying the waters with their “smear” talk and have thus taken a logical, lawful arguement and made it into an emotional, you-vs-us debate.

    In reality, I think that this issue will never go anywhere simply on the grounds of… WHAT IF? What if it all is true? What kind of upheaval will there be in America if this goes down? Generally people are already suspicious of government and I think that if this goes down, we could see something crazy go down such as a revolution. Even some of the fence sitters will come off and throw a fit.

    I am afraid that no judge is going to have that event happen in their courtroom even though it is their full duty to do so when the law is broken.

    Sad.

  49. 49 Jessie
    7 December 2009 at 12:17

    Hey, at least in the case of a Revolution, we have guns on OUR side. Haha…

    But I agree, it’s so sad that we cannot trust the courtroom to uphold the law anymore.

    Keep us updated! Thanks for doing what you do, and exposing so much. I am a strong Conservative, but so many people confuse that with “Republican”. It’s irritating. Every time a Rep. does something wrong, they start coming after me making comments about how horrible they are. Honestly, I don’t like very many people in Washington right now. There are a select few still holding on to their values, but Reps today are pretty much the Dems of 50 years ago. \

    I just get furious. Have you checked out Tea Party Nation? It’s something like Facebook for tea party people. I want to participate in some of the events this next year. I would’ve loved to go to Washington on 9/12. My brother-in-law was there, and he said it was pretty amazing how many people came.

  50. 50 L Augst
    10 December 2009 at 14:15

    Konfusing Kancer,

    I didn’t read the entire blog regarding Mr. Obamas records, but there is one more piece of the puzzle that doesn’t work in his favor.

    His selective service registration card. It was issued in 2008. He was not eligible for any federal student loans without being registered for the draft unless he was a foreign national. The number provided on his card starts with “08”, the compter generated second page has “080” in an attempt to show he registered in 1980. The mailing stamp was also wrong. I can’t remember if the stamp said USPO or USPS. It was the stamp that expired out in the early 1970’s.

    This should also be added to his inability to provide proof of citizenship.

  51. 51 sully
    13 December 2009 at 19:18

    so, can anyone confirn that this case has not been dismissed?

  52. 14 December 2009 at 02:04

    As far as I know, it cannot be “dismissed” at this point. There will be a pretrial hearing and after that, I believe that it can be dismissed. Until then, the 26 January 2010 date is still on.

  53. 53 TomForFreedom
    14 December 2009 at 06:31

    I am surprised there is no media frenzy over this.

    Is the media really that desperate to keep a man like Obama out there in office that they have to hide it? Hmm..

  54. 14 December 2009 at 20:59

    I’m not all that surprised.

    The Left has done such a good job at making this into a anti-smear issue that everyone is afraid to touch it.

    Even if Carter allows it to go to court after the pre-trial, still nobody will cover it. Carter will be labeled as a kook, rogue judge and Taitz will be even more than she already is.

    After all, this is not about what is right, it is what will play best into the political games (at least for the media).

  55. 55 samlehman
    14 December 2009 at 21:21

    Is it a good or bad thing that this site is the first Google result when you search for information on this supposed trial.

  56. 15 December 2009 at 05:01

    @Samlehman: Welcome to my blog and thanks for posting.

    UPDATE:
    It actually appears that Carter dismissed the case long ago…

    Judge Carter dismisses Obama Trial (CLICK)

  57. 27 December 2009 at 08:55

    I’d like to hear a audio recording a phone call to either the whitehouse or the court. Can some one post a mp3 of that ? Why are we all calling talk radio and giving this some air time?

  58. 58 Donna
    29 December 2009 at 13:08

    Do a search on “DNC failed to certify Obama as eligible in most states. If Obama has nothing to hide, why won’t he release his personal records? Someone is pulling his strings. As for our government = go wa;y back to the start to before Lincoln and FOLLOW THE MONEY. Americans would be shocked.

  59. 59 Stanley
    9 January 2010 at 19:22

    I read the first half of this site. It is too much reading to keep going on and on and on about nothing really. I mean, the issue is huge, but what is the solution? It looked like the beginning of the discussion was the best about who would take over in the event that the whole thing was a fraud. My suggestion is to go back and count the votes. If the runner up is also found to be ineligible for the same reason, go to the one that came in third. What i’ve heard is that numb nuts was also foreign born. I can’t remember his name, but he ran for president with Sarah Palin. So, we need to go back to the 2008 election and recount all the votes and go down the list of eligibility. That would ensure that neither a democrat nor republic gets it.

  60. 9 January 2010 at 23:23

    @Stanley: Hi and welcome to my blog. What is the solution? Well, to find out where Obama was born. That IS the issue. The solution is simply to see the long-form birth certificate that holds much more information than the COLB.

    Count what votes? Why?

    As for the other “numb-nuts” being foreign born – yes. He was born in Panama. There are plenty of sources out there to show how he still falls within the rules of being eligible, though. He also has shown his long-form birth certificate.

    If you can’t remember his name, well, I do question how close you were paying to the last General Election. Sad.

    In general, I’d welcome anyone that was not a Republican or a Democrat. I think America would wake up and see the two sides for what they are, regardless of who it was.

  61. 61 Astaroth
    19 January 2010 at 00:38

    Greetings,

    I just want to commend you on an intellectually stimulating blog. I am amazed that such mature blogs actually exist.

    As for this issue — as you probably know Obama changed his name? So how can he have that certificate of live birth in his current name? Or did that get adjusted when he changed it? Shouldn’t it say something like Barack Hussein Obama formerly Barry Soetoro ?

    And lets be honest, even if we there was an honest judge and by some miracle this could have happened. The CIA, DHS, NSA or FBI would have faked this document for evidence in the court; As actually having this socialist in power is a better option than the burning of 50 states and martial law.

    Brown for victory today to take away the imbalance of power in your country. Good luck America,

    I hope you can return to your former glory. Since a child I have loved your country for your constitution and liberties — I am still awaiting a greencard from that ridiculous greencard lottery you have(which I have entered for 5 years now), and I have a masters degree, yet people with high school educations get randomly chosen above me… I think you need some insane immigration reform that doesn’t only apply to Mexicans!

  62. 19 January 2010 at 19:40

    “Shouldn’t it say something like Barack Hussein Obama formerly Barry Soetoro?”

    Yes, because he had the name of his future step father when he was born.

  63. 19 January 2010 at 19:45

    @Astaroth: Hi and welcome to my blog. You do raise a valid point about his name. The only thing that I am not sure is if there is a difference between the name on the COLB and the long-form. I would suspect that the long-form would most definitely have the original birth name. The COLB I am not sure about since it is pretty much a summary of the long-form.

    I just asked one of my female friends about changing names and she said that when she got married that her birth certificate did not change. I would think that this would be similar!

  64. 19 January 2010 at 19:46

    Oh an on a side note, I think the immigration issue is pretty nutty myself.

  65. 19 January 2010 at 20:06

    6 more days till the trial?

  66. 66 thomas wilson
    22 January 2010 at 15:57

    Who would you put in their places if you overthrow the ones that you hate the most?? How can you be sure that for example that the Tea Party is going to be any better than the ones that you throw out?? Just because they so they will does not mean that the game has been changed. You could be making a change for the worse and you do not even know that for a fact that they will be any better than the ones being removed. Remember other reveltions has not always been for the best.
    You know the question that seems to be overlook or is being ignored is what if Obamoa is proven to be a U. S. citizen???? Then what are you all going to do when the air is let out of your balloon? I can bet it would change nothing with any of you folks. You are looking for something to bitch about and you will move on to something else to bitch about.
    Where were you all at when Reagan decided that the Meat Packing Industries would look after our best interest and refused to expand the number of inspectors cause this would be expanding government. Where were you at when the airlines industries were derugulated in order to increase competition in this industries? Where were you when the auto industries promised in the late 1970’s to do better in building their cars and that they would increase the gas milage of their cars? These statements were made because we as a nation was supposedly facing an oil embargo by OPEC. This shortage was proven to be false and created by the oil industries to jack up the prices on a barrel of oil.
    I read some where that Capitalism and free market doesn’t mean the same. Capitalist only believe in making money and who’s money it is does not matter to them just as long as it is money. The only loyality these Capitalist shows is their loyality to the color of the money.

    TJ

  67. 22 January 2010 at 19:43

    Go to my website http://www.screaming-eagle.us and read the constitution. Takes a while to load. I have at least 4 indian tribes in my linage, maybe more. Micheille Phillips made this awesome site for me. She just had major surgery and is not well enough to add the new things I have sent her. I am totally disgusted with Obama his manly wife and his followers. I have just started my website and will send it out to a lot of emails hoping they will send on. I have google alerts and emails sent to me on the site. 4 more days to the trial. I pray everyone who can will line the roads to the courthouse with signs demanding Obama prove himself a citizen.

    I have also started http://www.flowerladyusa.com to make money to get the outlaws out of congress. I am also putting a lot of things on ebay for the same reason. I am a senior on limited income so this is my way of helping America get rid of Thuds and thiefs.

  68. 23 January 2010 at 00:00

    @thomas wilson:

    Who would you put in their places if you overthrow the ones that you hate the most?? How can you be sure that for example that the Tea Party is going to be any better than the ones that you throw out?? Just because they so they will does not mean that the game has been changed. You could be making a change for the worse and you do not even know that for a fact that they will be any better than the ones being removed. Remember other reveltions has not always been for the best.

    First off, we (at least not me) don’t “hate” anyone. This is not a high school popularity contest – this is politics and we (again, me) simply want someone that does their job and nothing more. We want someone to actually understand the Constitution and abide by it. No re-interpreting… no loopholes… no bills passed of which they didn’t read.

    Lastly, this is a loaded question. Some “reveltions” have been bad. Sure. Could we have a revolution and it be bad? Sure. However, in my mind to overthrow a tyrannical government just to get more crap is better than just sitting on your hands and doing nothing.

    You know the question that seems to be overlook or is being ignored is what if Obamoa is proven to be a U. S. citizen???? Then what are you all going to do when the air is let out of your balloon? I can bet it would change nothing with any of you folks. You are looking for something to bitch about and you will move on to something else to bitch about.

    I’m going to be blunt and harsh – you are an idiot. Let me guess, we are all curious about this because he is black too? Yeah, that is what I thought.

    Get the hell out of here if you are going to spout off unfounded crap. You speak like a true Liberal.

    Let me say this simple to you – we want to know the truth. If the truth is that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii, then that is that. We (I) have no agenda on this other than the truth.

    Where were you all at when Reagan decided that the Meat Packing Industries would look after our best interest and refused to expand the number of inspectors cause this would be expanding government. Where were you at when the airlines industries were derugulated in order to increase competition in this industries? Where were you when the auto industries promised in the late 1970’s to do better in building their cars and that they would increase the gas milage of their cars? These statements were made because we as a nation was supposedly facing an oil embargo by OPEC. This shortage was proven to be false and created by the oil industries to jack up the prices on a barrel of oil.
    I read some where that Capitalism and free market doesn’t mean the same. Capitalist only believe in making money and who’s money it is does not matter to them just as long as it is money. The only loyality these Capitalist shows is their loyality to the color of the money.

    What in the world are you talking about in the first part? Ad hominem?

    There are many people believe that Capitalism and free-markets are not synonymous. This is more because people have equated Capitalism to corporatism than because they are different. Capitalism is a free-market. It just happens that there is a negative connotation with one of the words. Neat how that works, huh?

    Maybe I was wrong above… now you are speaking like a true Communist.

  69. 23 January 2010 at 00:04

    @Marianne: Unfortunately, as I have reported on the case was dismissed.

    Please read: Judge Carter dismisses Obama Trial (CLICK)

  70. 70 tj wilson
    23 January 2010 at 08:46

    I asked you a few question about what you would do? Again you talked in circles with some far and away answer which means you have no exact idea of what you would do. As for an idiot or a communist you must be looking into a mirror at a fool. Your type of freedom of speech sounds very limiting in its structure. Your freedoms that you would allow would be eventual based on what you thought were correct. The way you express yourself is by degrading others to make you fell better about yourself.As for the crap, you had better wiped it off of your lips cause you are so full shit. LET’S BE BLUNT YOU ARE A JACKASS!

  71. 24 January 2010 at 01:43

    @tj wilson:

    I asked you a few question about what you would do? Again you talked in circles with some far and away answer which means you have no exact idea of what you would do.

    I said that I wanted the truth. Can you not deduce what I would do from this answer?

    As for an idiot or a communist you must be looking into a mirror at a fool.

    I am far from being a communist. As for you calling me an idiot, that is your prerogative.

    Your type of freedom of speech sounds very limiting in its structure. Your freedoms that you would allow would be eventual based on what you thought were correct. The way you express yourself is by degrading others to make you fell better about yourself.

    What freedoms are you even talking about? I am pretty much a Libertarian, which if you don’t know is pretty much a “do whatever as long as it doesn’t affect someone else” mentality. Care to explain how that is limiting, much less limiting speech?

    I degraded you because you make no sense and come here spouting BS. I have no problem debating people who have positions, but you have no positions… just accusations. I don’t appreciate that and will smack you down appropriately.

    As for the crap, you had better wiped it off of your lips cause you are so full shit. LET’S BE BLUNT YOU ARE A JACKASS!

    Quite the contrary. Come here and debate like an intellectual and I will treat you like an intellectual. Come here spouting rhetoric like you did and I will put you back in your place.

  72. 72 Correcting Misconceptions
    24 January 2010 at 06:31

    I just wanted to comment that the word “impeach” is most often thought of as the act which ousts a president (or any other elected official) from their office. This is NOT TRUE! The word “impeach” should be thought of as a process (impeachment), where the impeachment is a court case (of sorts). This has to first be done by the House of Representatives (effectively bringing the elected official “up” on charges), and then the Senate does the hearing (usually not the whole Senate, but a committee created immediately for such a purpose of a select number of Senators). The issue is then voted on after the “impeachment” (hearing). The vote cast by the whole Senate determines whether the elected official will stay in office or not. So, to sum, the word “impeachment” (or to “impeach”) is NOT the “removal of office,” it is the TRIAL that could effectively get someone thrown out of office! The removal of office is, well,… the removal of office! (Not the impeachment hearing.) I just thought I’d clarify for those that don’t know… which seems to be MANY throughout this land!

  73. 73 tj wilson
    24 January 2010 at 17:11

    I asked the question about what you would do if most of your intellectual theories were proven wrong. Then you started your crap. I asked you since your are so intent on replacing people then who would live up to your expectation. Sir, you are the one who started the name calling which proves that you are incapable of any type of debet from any type of stand point.
    Since you seem to lack the knowledge about this nation’s history then I will explain that during the Reagan years it was he who keep bring up in his political speeches about renewing or push for the accepting free markets with no regulation even though the Constitution of the United States does states that the governmnet has the right to regulate and to tax commerce. Their is also a statement in the U. S. Constitution where the government has the right to protect us from our selves, it is in the section where it talks about protecting the states from war or invasions. Do you not understand that the birth of this nation was a very liberal notion for it’s time. Do you failed to understand that those rights you seem to so cherish were born from liberal thinking people for that time, those thoughts were born during the Enlightenment Age. Do you not understand that some of those liberties that were given to us, by our founding fathers, were establish by back room deals, under the table hand shakes, and by agreements between two delegates to the convention to get certain colonies to sign off on the Constitution. So when you make some of your slanderous remarks or statement you just might be slandering the founding forefathers who gave you those liberties.
    As far as being a Libertarian, there will never be an society that will allow the unrestricted liberty in thoughts or action. Every culture or civilizations has had rules, regulation or laws to prevent certain abusive action againest your fellow man. Do you think that some your thoughts or action gives you the liberty or rights to commit adultery? How about having sexual intercouse with a minor or a child, some cultures do allow this. How about stealing from others if it suits you or if you just feel like that is just the right thing to do for you? How about cannibalism do you think you have the right to make a meal out of your fellow man. Some men minds are on the very dark side of human nature in deeds and in action. It would appear that you are not a true believer in being a libertarian cause I have just as much freedom to express my thoughts as you do with out the insults by you. That is if you are a true believer.
    The points I made were their but you choose the path to insult and to degrade to make your self to feel so much superior than others. It does not take much to see through your smoke screen. So through all of your remarks and statements that you made, does not change the fact that you are an arrogant, obnoxious asshole who is only important to himself. So go screw your self , you just might like it cause you seem to be so much in love with your self. So good bye and fornicate off!!!

  74. 25 January 2010 at 01:20

    Tomorrow is the big day!

  75. 25 January 2010 at 02:51

    @tj wilson:

    I asked the question about what you would do if most of your intellectual theories were proven wrong. Then you started your crap. I asked you since your are so intent on replacing people then who would live up to your expectation.

    I don’t know what you are talking about with these “intellectual theories.” I want the truth and that is it. If it was true, then I don’t know who would replace him. However, THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is that if he is not eligible, then he should not hold the position.

    Is that too hard to understand? The rest is details.

    Sir, you are the one who started the name calling which proves that you are incapable of any type of debet from any type of stand point.

    Actually, it was you who started in first with the accusations when you say, “Then what are you all going to do when the air is let out of your balloon? I can bet it would change nothing with any of you folks. You are looking for something to bitch about and you will move on to something else to bitch about.” You are stereotyping without even knowing anything about anyone here. I called you an idiot because anyone who makes accusations about people when they don’t even know the situation or their exact beliefs is… well… an idiot.

    Secondly, you started talking about what is and what is not a Capitalist. Again, you are stereotyping and worse yet stereotyping incorrectly. I called you out on it and you didn’t like it.

    Since you seem to lack the knowledge about this nation’s history then I will explain that during the Reagan years it was he who keep bring up in his political speeches about renewing or push for the accepting free markets with no regulation even though the Constitution of the United States does states that the governmnet has the right to regulate and to tax commerce.

    Orly? Where does the Constitute that government has the right to regulate and tax commerce/trade/goods/skills unequivocally?

    Their is also a statement in the U. S. Constitution where the government has the right to protect us from our selves, it is in the section where it talks about protecting the states from war or invasions.

    Again, please cite.

    Do you not understand that the birth of this nation was a very liberal notion for it’s time. Do you failed to understand that those rights you seem to so cherish were born from liberal thinking people for that time, those thoughts were born during the Enlightenment Age. Do you not understand that some of those liberties that were given to us, by our founding fathers, were establish by back room deals, under the table hand shakes, and by agreements between two delegates to the convention to get certain colonies to sign off on the Constitution. So when you make some of your slanderous remarks or statement you just might be slandering the founding forefathers who gave you those liberties.

    So the right to speak, practice my own religion, hold a firearm, live without someone entering my home… were given to me by back room deals? Please cite.

    What slanderous remarks are you talking about?

    As far as being a Libertarian, there will never be an society that will allow the unrestricted liberty in thoughts or action. Every culture or civilizations has had rules, regulation or laws to prevent certain abusive action againest your fellow man.

    Where did I say that I was an anarchist?

    Do you think that some your thoughts or action gives you the liberty or rights to commit adultery?

    Absolutely I have the “right” to commit adultery. I also have the obligatory responsibility with such an action. You seem to not understand the difference between rights and responsibilities.

    How about having sexual intercouse with a minor or a child, some cultures do allow this. How about stealing from others if it suits you or if you just feel like that is just the right thing to do for you? How about cannibalism do you think you have the right to make a meal out of your fellow man.

    Please re-read post 71 where I say, “I am pretty much a Libertarian, which if you don’t know is pretty much a “do whatever as long as it doesn’t affect someone else” mentality.” Can you please tell me how I am advocating raping children, stealing, or eating people (laugther as I type this).

    It would appear that you are not a true believer in being a libertarian cause I have just as much freedom to express my thoughts as you do with out the insults by you. That is if you are a true believer.

    I still think you confuse Libertarian with absolute anarchism. Furthermore, please re-read post 71 where I say “I am pretty much a Libertarian, which if you don’t know is pretty much a “do whatever as long as it doesn’t affect someone else” mentality.” Emphasis added to help you.

    The points I made were their but you choose the path to insult and to degrade to make your self to feel so much superior than others.

    Please visit other posts on here (I Can Prove That You Are a Slave in America post). You can see how when people debate me intellectually, I debate them with absolute respect. But when people start stereotyping, getting ignorant, and being stupid I toss it right back in their face. This is what I did with you.

    It does not take much to see through your smoke screen. So through all of your remarks and statements that you made, does not change the fact that you are an arrogant, obnoxious asshole who is only important to himself. So go screw your self , you just might like it cause you seem to be so much in love with your self. So good bye and fornicate off!!!

    Well, I am glad one of my readers truly knows me.

    Unfortunately, you don’t know a dang thing about me. If you want to debate me then I truly believe you need to learn how to debate. First, provide an idea you wish to support. Then find evidence to support it. Third, rebutt anything the other person said [with facts].

    In your first post you started rambing about “us bitching” and told us that we didn’t know who to replace him. Nothing to do with the original post. Then you said something about tea parties and revolutions not being worthwhile. Again, nothing to do with the original article. Then you started talking about Reagan. Which for the third time, has nothing to do with the original article. Then you started talking about deregulation of airlines. Which yet again has nothing to do with what is being talked about. Then you started talking about auto industry promises. Which, holy cow, again has nothing to do with what is being talked about. and finally you wrapped up with talking about how capitalism and free-markets are two different things and you made up your own custom definition… which, once again has anything to do with the original article.

    Do you still fail to see why I am not treating you as a worthy debate?

  76. 25 January 2010 at 02:54

    @Samuel:
    Please re-read the ENTIRE page again. I have kept this post updated and in more than one location I have declared that this case has been long…

    dismissed.

    Sorry.

    I even posted the dismissal. Go read it please.

  77. 77 Dis Gusted
    26 January 2010 at 08:47

    One thing that this blog makes painfully obvious is how so many people have a distorted perception of their worth and place in society.

    Konfusing Kancer:
    This may very well be your blog.
    BUT…all you’ve done (or attempted to do) is place everyone you disagree with (nearly everyone) in a corral while placing yourself on a pedestal. Talk about a distorted perception of your worth and place in society…you’re the most guilty person on this blog, even if it IS your blog!
    So yea…own it. There’s nothing so disillusioned and dangerous than an ego maniac with an inferiority complex.
    “It’s better to be silent and considered a fool than to speak and remove all doubt”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    While I see many people expressing their opinions…so few have addressed the CORE ISSUE: THE LAWSUIT.
    Yes…the lawsuit has been dismissed, and on faulty judgment and logic no less.

    The lawsuit was dismissed because the so-called judge* erroneously assumed the lawsuit was about removing Obamessiah from the office of President. NOTHING could be further from the truth. (* I personally only recognize ONE JUDGE, who is alive and well but not in the physical realm).
    Proverbs 21 v.7: “The robbery of the wicked shall destroy them; because they refuse to do judgment”.
    Isaiah 59 v.14: “And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter”.

    FIRST, the FACTS must be established.
    THEN, and ONLY then, can any other action be initiated, such as removing a foreign usurper from office. These are two separate and distinct issues, and MUST be dealt with in that regard.

    Clearly, the person who is presiding over this issue, David O. Carter, has taken it upon himself to squash any possibility of Obamessiah being removed from office by rendering a judgment this lawsuit did not ask him to render. The lawsuit did NOT ask the court to remove Obamessiah from office. The lawsuit merely asked one person to prove their eligibility to hold the office of President. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Make no mistake about this: logic will take a person far in life, IF they USE it. Which is to say…

    There is absolutely no way Barry Soetoro (AKA Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama et al) can justify spending so much time, effort and resources (over one million dollars) to keep hidden what an official $10 dollar certificate of live birth would prove.

    Ecclesiastes 12 v.14: “For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil”.
    Matthew 12 v.37: “For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned”.
    Revelation 21 v.8: “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death”.

  78. 26 January 2010 at 09:36

    @Dis Gusted:

    One thing that this blog makes painfully obvious is how so many people have a distorted perception of their worth and place in society.

    Konfusing Kancer:
    This may very well be your blog.
    BUT…all you’ve done (or attempted to do) is place everyone you disagree with (nearly everyone) in a corral while placing yourself on a pedestal. Talk about a distorted perception of your worth and place in society…you’re the most guilty person on this blog, even if it IS your blog!
    So yea…own it. There’s nothing so disillusioned and dangerous than an ego maniac with an inferiority complex.
    “It’s better to be silent and considered a fool than to speak and remove all doubt”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Where am I placing myself on a pedestal. If this has anything to do with TJW that posted above, then I have no remorse. He didn’t disagree or debate anything that has been said about this issue – he has just (a) stereotyped (b) not debated the issue (c) not added any intellectual facts to the post at hand.

    I believe in the blogging world we call this “trolling.”

    If you can show me how he didn’t stereotype or how he added to the original post, then I’d be glad to step back.

    As for the ego, I actually have a very small ego. However, I just happen to be willing to put people down when they come to my blog and act stupid. As I’ve pointed out, look at other blog posts where I’ve debated people who have came to the debate with not only positions, but facts.

    Clearly, the person who is presiding over this issue, David O. Carter, has taken it upon himself to squash any possibility of Obamessiah being removed from office by rendering a judgment this lawsuit did not ask him to render. The lawsuit did NOT ask the court to remove Obamessiah from office. The lawsuit merely asked one person to prove their eligibility to hold the office of President. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Amen.

    There is absolutely no way Barry Soetoro (AKA Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama et al) can justify spending so much time, effort and resources (over one million dollars) to keep hidden what an official $10 dollar certificate of live birth would prove.

    He has provided a COLB. But a COLB doesn’t prove anything as far as where exactly he was born. The long-form is what tells us this and this is what is not being provided.

  79. 26 January 2010 at 09:55

    To all: I am unapologetic to what I have said above in this post. I am extremely disgruntled at the lack of care for this concern/issue. This issue affects everything that will happen in the years of his Presidency providing that he is not eligible.

    Furthermore, I am tired of the complacency of everyone. When I go to work I have to prove that I am eligible. When I go to vote, I have to show who I am. When I get pulled over I have to provide to who I am. When I apply for a federal job I have to provide all sorts of stuff…

    So why doesn’t the most (arguably) powerful person in the world have to do it?

    Sure, he doesn’t have to lawfully do anything – but as a leader he should oblige us. As someone who said they want to unite us, then why not put these things that divide us to rest. Just show us a few documents and we will all be at peace.

    So it is fair warning to anyone that comes here and posts stupid stuff – I very well may go off on you. Don’t come here and start talking about past presidents. Or past policies. Or telling me what capitalism is and is not. Or that I don’t know what the Constitution is.

    This blog post is about Obama’s eligibility and how he will not put it to rest. I could care less who takes the office so long as they are lawful. Yes, I said it… I want the law to be upheld. Is that too much to ask?

    If you can’t handle me wanting a simple truth to be verified, then leave. However, it is my guess that you came here because you too wanted to know the truth (either that, or you are just trolling). some people that have posted have came up with some very good questions. While others have come to take this post off-topic. Not appreciated.

    In any case, the day has come and passed. So, if you didn’t know it, you now know it… the case was dismissed long ago for a non-issue. They are saying that they don’t have the jurisdiction to remove him. but as Dis Gusted said above, this is about proving eligibility, not about removing him. Shame on Carter for doing such a dis-service.

  80. 80 Greg Morton
    31 January 2010 at 10:33

    This is a crock. Everyone knows Obama was born in Kenya. His Grandmother was on one of the news stations telling it like it happened, and then they wouldn’t let any more reporters in. THAT SHOWS GUILT TO ME, AND THE POWER OBAMA HAS. His SUPPOSEDLY father’s Mother is not a liar. She has no reason to lie. WAKE UP AMERICA THROW HIM OUT JUDGE YOU COWARD!!!!!

  81. 81 Nick Hollister
    31 January 2010 at 16:52

    Even if Obama is removed from office, which he should be by the way, his seat would most likely be filled by Biden. Another scenario is for an emergency special election but I don’t think that will happen. But in either case the new President will give Obama a pardon because a Democrat will win the seat. Personally I think that McCain should be awarded the seat due to the “cheating” of the opposing party but that probably won’t happen either. http://www.obamaforgery.com

  82. 82 Tim Joseph
    15 February 2010 at 15:16

    Actually, if Obama was proven to be born outside of the US, would not his entire presidency be declared null and void?? This would NOT put Biden in the presidency, nor his entire staff, or possibly anything that was signed into law by him?? Until Obama can really prove his side, this question will continue to hound him. Personally, I like the drama, and would love to see him proven wrong and thrown out of office, impeachment would not be required, he would be guilty of a high crime against the US Constitution and the people of our country.


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